Declined TF2 Jailbreak Scout double jump suggestion

[Buddy303]

I honestly don't see any reason for bhop to be enabled and the Scout's double jump to be disabled.
What is the point in disabling Scout's double jump anyway?
I mean at least when you rebel as Scout could you get the double jump then?
It's taking away one of Scout's biggest advantages to counteract his low health and for what?
Because you assume all guards can't aim for their life?
Give Scout double jump and disable bhop, there's really no point for bhop's existence in the first place.

Flux is literally the only good European jb server but the bhopping ruins it for me.
There are plenty of American servers with no bhop but with Scout's double jump that are very successful and the players don't complain about it.

 

[Monky]

Bhop is something that would help rebellers to get away fast enough so a blue doesn't shoot you and your saying a double jump is faster then that? Its because most maps barely have tall enough fences so scout can just jump off and rebel.

 

[Buddy303]

Bhop is something that would help rebellers to get away fast enough so a blue doesn't shoot you and your saying a double jump is faster then that? Its because most maps barely have tall enough fences so scout can just jump off and rebel.

Bhopping is just forcing it. Using your brain to sneak away is a lot better. It's not about double jump being faster, it gives Scout more capability in fights, the 1.5x damage buff should be removed too.

 

[mikalxmow]

Bhopping is just forcing it. Using your brain to sneak away is a lot better. It's not about double jump being faster, it gives Scout more capability in fights, the 1.5x damage buff should be removed too.

Buddy it's JB it's meant to be fucking unfair

 

[mikalxmow]

Bhop is something that would help rebellers to get away fast enough so a blue doesn't shoot you and your saying a double jump is faster then that? Its because most maps barely have tall enough fences so scout can just jump off and rebel.

Oh and monkey is right those fences are so god damn short.

 

[Buddy303]

Buddy it's JB it's meant to be fucking unfair

I'm not saying it's unfair lol idk where you got that from
What I am saying is that Scout should have the movement capability of a double jump, everyone else can bhop already and do so much for so little effort, the double jumping needs actual skill to be useful.

 

[Firebird]

perhaps a petition to remove bhop could be in order.

 

[mikalxmow]

perhaps a petition to remove bhop could be in order.

NO FUCK OFF.

 

[mikalxmow]

I'm not saying it's unfair lol idk where you got that from
What I am saying is that Scout should have the movement capability of a double jump, everyone else can bhop already and do so much for so little effort, the double jumping needs actual skill to be useful.

No just no scout can bhop too and they are better since they move so fucking fast and have a better bhop start then every other class.

 

[Buddy303]

No just no scout can bhop too and they are better since they move so fucking fast and have a better bhop start then every other class.

bhop sucks if you rely on it you're bad at jb

 

[mikalxmow]

bhop sucks if you rely on it you're bad at jb

Don't care bhop is really good for escaping so yes you are good at JB if you rely on it.

 

[Buddy303]

Don't care bhop is really good for escaping so yes you are good at JB if you rely on it.

if you're good you wouldn't be getting chased you're just bad at sneaking away and rely on a crutch

 

[mikalxmow]

if you're good you wouldn't be getting chased you're just bad at sneaking away and rely on a crutch

Yeah but who tf hides all game it's JB we hunt the blues not fucking hide from them your gonna get caught if you attack.

 

[Buddy303]

Yeah but who tf hides all game it's JB we hunt the blues not fucking hide from them your gonna get caught if you attack.

who says you have to hide? run off without being noticed, get ammo and attack them

 

[mikalxmow]

who says you have to hide? run off without being noticed, get ammo and attack them

Then you get caught : )

 

[Buddy303]

Then you get caught : )

well yeah? how are you gonna deal with it aside from using your own skill? it seems way more fair to deal with the situation you got yourself in on your own instead of having a crutch

 

[mikalxmow]

well yeah? how are you gonna deal with it aside from using your own skill? it seems way more fair to deal with the situation you got yourself in on your own instead of having a crutch

It helps you get away to attack again?

 

[Monky]

who says you have to hide? run off without being noticed, get ammo and attack them

Not gonna lie really makes you wonder why they have the secrets to get out of cells on some maps.

 

[dork]

Ignoring the whole bhop thing, scouts double jump is straight up unfair. It gives him advantages in rebelling and various minigames that other classes don't have, such as climb or stairway to heaven.

 

[edi]

Enabling scout double jump without disabling bhop would be a huge nerf to scout, all other classes would be able to build a big speed boost with bhop while scout is stuck with his base speed.

Other classes their rebelling strength was always to punish BLUs within melee range and 2 hit kill them or oneshot with a crit/backstab, while for scout it was for running away and getting ammo packs.

If bhop were to be disabled it would be nice if scout could unlock double-jump by rebelling, just like on some other servers.

Ignoring the whole bhop thing, scouts double jump is straight up unfair. It gives him advantages in rebelling and various minigames that other classes don't have, such as climb or stairway to heaven.

Scout always was the go-to class for rebelling by getting ammo anyway. The bhop feature on flux servers just made it so that other classes also have a better chance of getting ammo by running away.

As for minigames, most wardens say no double-jumping anyway and besides, no one is stopping the others REDs from picking scout. There is no class limit, if they want that advantage they could pick scout as well.
Going by your logic we should also increase heavy's movement speed, since some jumps in obby would be harder for him.

I'd vote yes for doublejump to return, but only if bhop were to be removed.